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  • #22020
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    Ryan
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    If you can navigate this site better than me with google translate, can you tell this dude to sit and spin for me? He keeps putting up my parts, with my pictures from my site. He does not have authorization to sell it, and he doesn’t even have the decency to link to the site or to thingiverse.
    I have got them to take it down before but they are not responding anymore. He keeps getting my comments removed form the post as well.

    http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-641594638-kit-mostly-printed-cnc-mpcnc-router-impresion-3d-onhand-_JM

    #22027
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    Bill
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    It looks like Mercado Libre is a combination eBay/Amazon. You’ll likely get the best results by contacting them instead of the seller.

    The Terms and Conditions page partially translates as “It is understood and presumed that through the inclusion of the good or service in MercadoLibre, the User accepts that he has the intention and the right to sell the good that he offers, or is authorized by the owner and has it available for immediate delivery.” Elsewhere on the same page I see “6.2. Obligations of the Seller

    The selling user must have legal capacity to sell the object of his offer.”

    I don’t know what the licensing ramifications are when you put a design on Thingverse, and it’s quite likely things might be different in Argentina. I’d contact Mercado Libre 3751 SRL Arias Street, 7th floor, Capital Federal, zip code C1430CRG, Argentina. You might also be able to contact them through their Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/MercadoLibre.

    #22109
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    Jeffeb3
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    Also, it’s Spanish. It looks like it closed, but IDK if it’s because it was taken down, or sold.

    #22232
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    Ryan
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    #22233
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    Ryan
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    They sent me this, Which does not open with google sheets for some reason. If someone can open it and save it with google sheets maybe?
    They said I have to prove it is mine and provide all the documents for every country I am covered in.

    I asked them to make him prove he owns it, They said they would gladly talk to my lawyer about it.

    My blood is boiling over this. I give it all away for free with the one stipulation that you do not sell the machine. WTF I bust my a88 on all the support for this and all the people that need help but I feel absolutely robbed when this guys sells my kit and we have to help all his customers.

    #22245
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    Barry
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    #22247
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    Ryan
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    Awesome Barry thank you so much! I doubt they will actually do anything but I keep trying.

    #22248
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    Jeffeb3
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    Maybe you should put yours up for sale on that site too. Sounds like he’s doing some business :). It might get the site on your side as well.

    #22250
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    Ryan
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    They don’t offer an English translation. I could barely communicate with them using chrome/google translate. Ebay handles this sort of thing so much better.

    #22257
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    Kevin Lopez
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    Just wondering, why don’t you sell your kits on other websites too like ebay or amazon? Is it because it is much easier to handle everything from your own site/thingiverse? I heard you said sales were down or something and it was just a thought. I don’t remember how I found out about mpcnc, I think it was just from random research one day.

    #22260
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    Ryan
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    If i sold on ebay 8 would have to mark it up 10% amazon about 16% plus they like to hold your money for 90 while the return policy is in effect and you can not sell it anywhere for a lower price.

    #22262
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    Kevin Lopez
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    Yeah I guess that makes sense. My friends and I last summer tried to sell custom built PCs, and the issue we had was how much they mark up the products you try to sell. I guess it is all about how much you want to sell vs your profit margin. Pretty much everyone I know has amazon prime so it was hard for us not to consider it, due to its popularity. Ebay is okay, but it still has that 10%(they do discount USPS shipping though) and I prefer amazon’s interface.

    It is a shame that someone tried to leech off your design though.

    #22263
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    Jeffeb3
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    Sounds like you need an intern that also speaks Spanish.

    #22264
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    Barry
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    Hmmmmm, good looking spanish chick that is also good at sexual harassment!

    #22266
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    Ryan
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    They said unless I have a patent in there country there is nothing I can do. I really don’t want to waste anymore time any money on this.

    If I can not figure out how to protect my files I will not be releasing anymore files. If I make anything else I will sell printed parts only. Or just go back to a regular job. I found a lawyer that handles Creative commons cases but I have a feeling this is going to get expensive fast, trying to deal with another country.

    #22267
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    Ryan
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    14 more listings

    http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/mpcnc

    6 More

    http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/mostly-printed-cnc_Desde_101

    Nope, I am not going to work for free. Sorry guys this is not looking good.

    #22269
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    Kevin Lopez
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    Nooo…the reprappyness of mpcnc must not die! There has to be something we can do.

    #22270
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    Leo69
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    This really sucks. Do you have that many international kit sales? Expecting a big impact from this?

    #22271
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    Ryan
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    I honestly don’t know what to do. I feel like a punk for answering personal emails and forums posts half of every single working day. I have never cared if the parts were bought form me I just wanted to get people running. Pretty sure that has changed. Anyone that has bought it from me will get priority attention for sure. I know it will be a pain to deal with but I am flabbergasted by this. If you search that site there are so many cnc of my design being sold as their own, most have not changed the name even. Some have calling it something completely different.

    I am not sure how to deal with this but I am not releasing the full sheet until I figure this out. My sales are flat lining I know I know why. I do not work for free, cheap as hell, but not free.

    #22273
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    Ryan
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    That site serves 19 countries. My sales have been steadily decreasing and I couldn’t figure out why. Yet we have so much traffic we keep killing servers.

    #22275
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    Kevin Lopez
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    Yeah it is from people buying the machine on other sites, and then later coming here for free help. I always thought it is nice for you to help people with your design, even if they didn’t give you any money for it. It’s sad knowing sometimes being generous gets taken advantage of.

    #22276
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    Ryan
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    Kaihatsu Cnc sells it and answers design questions like they actually designed the parts, even have a you tube channel for “their” design.

    A different seller says to come to these forums to ask questions.

    I know who has been here and who has contributed and been a huge part of this community, I will always share my future designs with you guys. I am really stunned and don’t know what to do.

    I am going to try and blow off some steam and finish this giant table in my garage so I can test this full sheet machine already, fell dumb with it just assembled sitting on the carpet for the last few days.

    #22278
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    Leo69
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    I totally agree and I wouldn’t release anything new if I were you. It’s too bad that they’re ruining this for everyone else but you gotta do what you gotta do.

    #22279
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    Ryan
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    I want to figure out a way to keep releasing things to people somehow. I have been going a little crazy here trying to figure out what was going on and to find out this is why hurts.

    Keep those fingers crossed that this lawyer has an easy solution.

    #22281
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    David Anderson
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    This is ridiculous that they can get awaway with this. Your invention is genius and you have always been generous with your time and help. I’ll continue to support you and your products and continue to recommend it to everyone.
    I don’t know if you’ve seen it but they are also selling ut on Facebook. Here’s the link so you can file a complaint with Facebook to get their pages removed.
    https://m.facebook.com/commerce/products/1223550161050864/?rid=1625536617744267&rt=9&ref=page_internal
    Good luck and know that you are supported and we’ll all do what wr can to help

    #22282
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    Leo69
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    Just left a comment on Kaihatsu channel. What a dick….

    #22283
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    Kevin Lopez
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    Jees, I never even noticed how many were being sold by other people. Maybe in the future there will be a mpcnc 2 that does enough to distinguish itself so it can be a brand new stand alone sort of deal. Kind of like what prusa did except theirs was supposed to be knocked off. That idea seems pretty unrealistic now that I think about it. Hopefully all goes well

    #22296
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    Martin DB
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    Rayn I live in Argentina. Mercado Libre is an Ebay partner…. may be you have better luck contacting them?

    Have you tried this page (sorry, only spanish, please try the google translator or I can help you with the language):

    http://ayuda.mercadolibre.com.ar/ayuda/Soy-titular-de-un-derecho-y-qu_2838

    #22297
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    Brian
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    Your design is nothing short of genius. I’m amazed every time I look at it. I hate that here are scums with zero respect that do these things.

    I would * place a notice on the home page that your design is being copied by others etc. *

    Your the first hit on google so that’s a good thing. I bought my electronics / bearings from you and would gladly do it again. You put a lot of time and work into sourcing and making sure everything will he there and work together.

    #22307
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    Jeffeb3
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    Is there some kind of attorney general or consumer protection part of the Argentina government that would have some impact? I’m sort of asking Martin, or maybe you should ask the lawyer. Contacting ebay is a good idea too.

    You have a legitimate copyright. I can’t understand how they won’t honor that.

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