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  • #31263

    Jeffeb3
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    I bought a 90’s Craftsman table saw from Craigslist. They made a ton of these saws, and there were literally 7 I found in my first search for them. I bought one, and I’m cleaning it up. Not really a rebuild, because it’s in great shape. But it will be in much better shape by the time I’m done with it.

    Photo album:
    https://goo.gl/photos/vhMZWpRErdd1A8Qv6

    I bought it for $160, and I also got a harbor freight drill press, which I gave to my dad. Motor seems great. The angle adjustment was stuck, but after taking it apart, the reunions were just pinching together.

    I’ve cleaned the top, first with a steel brush, and then I let it soak in vinegar for 24 hours, and then I attacked with a scotch bright pad and an orbital sander (at the same time, not sand paper). There’s still a little rust, but I don’t want to change the flatness of the top but being too abrasive.

    #31264

    Bill
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    Try milkstone remover (phosphoric acid) on the rust. Clears it right up and leaves a protective finish (iron phosphate) that does a good job of keeping more away.

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    #31268

    Barry
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    I used 220 grit sandpaper and an orbital sander on my saw top. When we moved to this place I told the movers to just dump all my tools in the middle of the barn and I’d figure out where stuff would go from there. Week later when I got around to the barn I found they put the saw under the only leak in the middle of the barn… Wd-40 and a rag to remove the crusty stuff, then sanded the whole top to get the little pits out. It’s cast iron, so wasn’t too worried, I wouldn’t do that to one of the cheapo contractor saws. I’ve seen saws with granite tops as well, that would be cool.

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    #31270

    David Walling
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    I love old(er) tools. They work amazingly well and were built before the pansies needed warnings about not cutting your finger off. I find restoring tools is a lot of fun, but really old ones sometimes require custom made parts.

    I have a Craftsman Lathe from the 1950’s that I restored and got working again. Paid $50 for it. I also picked up a 8″ table-saw/jointer combo that I still need to restore from the 1950’s too. I’ve been lucky in that most of the ones I’ve worked on have just needed new belts and bearings re-packed.

    I don’t even know how old my air compressor is. My grandfather bought it used for my dad before I was born.

    Unfortunately my table saw is a cheap Craftsman ‘hobby’ saw the wife bought for me our first year together. The gear for the arbor no longer works so you have to pull up on the saw blade to raise it… not exactly safe. I’m thinking I’ll probably replace it later this year, but I need to clean out more of the garage first.

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    #31273

    Jeffeb3
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    @Bill, I haven’t seen MSR before. It looks like that’s the same stuff as naval jelly, which seems a bit more available. I really want to put it back together, but there is a voice in my head saying, “do it right, or do it again”. I should probably try again to get those last few speckles of rust.

    @Barry, I’m glad it worked for you. 220 probably isn’t that dangerous, but I was worried I would sand it out of flat.

    @david, There’s something about the way engineering was done before CAD. The machines are just simple, and overdone. Mine isn’t that old, but the design is, mostly. I found some even older ones, but they had so much rust, I’m sure they would be more money in materials just to clean them. And the motors would need more work. Buying an old lathe is a good idea. I don’t “need” a lathe, but I sure would like having one, so it would be a good refurb. I will need to learn something about lathes.

    #31274

    Jeffeb3
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    I also kind of want to paint the underside, but with my schedule that could add weeks to the build…

    #31342

    Bill
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    Yes, Naval Jelly has the same acid in it, but costs many multiples higher. But it might not be as easy to find if you’re not near some dairies, where it’s typically used.

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    #31349

    Jeffeb3
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    They sell MSR at tractor supply. I think the closest one is 45 mins away. Home Depot had a pint of naval jelly for $6. I tried it. It seems to do a good job, but not a silver bullet. Maybe I need to soak it longer. Anyway, I have it in good shape, I put some wax on the top, and I could be ready to reassemble it, but I think I am going to try to paint it. I’m going to try petroleum jelly as a paint mask. Wdyt?

    #31360

    Barry
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    The paint might do weird things with the petro jelly. Might run. If you’re painting the bottom, just shoot the whole thing. Foam ear plugs work to mask out bolt holes.

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    #31368

    Jeffeb3
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    I was thinking more for the gear parts of the “chassis”. I have it completely disassembled. I’m going to test the jelly on some carboard or something first to see how well it works. But for these curvy goofy parts, rubbing on something, then removing it with something seems easier.

    #31454

    Jeffeb3
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    Testing now. This has jelly on it. One section is fresh and one section is older.

    #31550

    Jeffeb3
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    It worked out fine. The only trouble is you have to be really careful applying it. Because the paint just won’t stick to it. The edge was a little jagged, but I think that was because I was a little crazy with applying the jelly. I’ll post a pick of what I’m trying to paint, and maybe I’ll get more sympathy.

    #31559

    Barry
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    It worked out fine. The only trouble is you have to be really careful applying it. Because the paint just won’t stick to it. The edge was a little jagged, but I think that was because I was a little crazy with applying the jelly. I’ll post a pick of what I’m trying to paint, and maybe I’ll get more sympathy.

    Or we’ll just make fun of you… πŸ˜‰

    #31560

    Jeffeb3
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    As long as you do it in a sarcastic way, so I can’t tell the difference.

    #31603

    Barry
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    Shouldn’t be a problem! πŸ˜€

    #31605

    Jeffeb3
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    There are a few more photos in the album, but this one shows the parts after the painting.

    Now that I’ve done all the parts, and removed the jelly, here are some notes:
    – It’s not a clean line. Maybe I could have cut the paint with a knife before wiping off… I don’t know.
    – The paint didn’t dissolve the jelly, but the heat of the day did. Oops.
    – I could easily plug an entire hole with the jelly, and it stayed well enough to keep the paint out, as long as it didn’t melt.
    – I missed a spot (a kindof important spot).
    – The jelly and paint on the jelly can just be wiped off, I used a combination of q tips, an old t shirt (that I never want to use for anything again, because it’s trashed) and a hacksaw blade to get most of it off. Then I used some rubbing alcohol on places where I am going to apply lubricant (dry or grease). Not terribly difficult to remove, actually.
    – I’m not very careful/patient with spray paint πŸ™

    In the end, a crappy tape job might have been just as good, and faster, but The jelly has the advantage of failing in a way that leaves less paint, whereas tape fails leaving more paint. But I have it done, and at least it was a good learning experience. If I ever think, “I wonder how I’m gonna mask this”, at least I know of one more way.

    #31611

    Barry
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    Nice! Next time I’m in the barn, I’ll take a photo of the “paint station” I set up. There’s purple overspray all over the place!

    #31612

    Very nice table, good job !

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    #31755

    Jeffeb3
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    Runningggg

    My miter slot to saw blade is off by 0.010″. Working on that now. Then I should be able to cut something.

    #32147

    Barry
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    #32152

    Jeffeb3
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    Is that miter saw dust?

    #32153

    Barry
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    Nope, purple and white paint! Miter saw is there while I was building the new workbench, haven’t put it back yet…

    Paint is from prepainting the beadboard and molding for my wife’s office. Occasionally I pretend to be a contractor.
    https://goo.gl/photos/tbf9tHabaq7ttP3w8
    https://goo.gl/photos/8tRwVbevwfURvJze8
    https://goo.gl/photos/oZ2MUoU32Ue7maZC8

    #32157

    Ryan
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    Did you CNC that fancy desk?

    #32160

    Jeffeb3
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    Maybe next time point the sprayer at the beadboard. πŸ™‚

    That looks like a nice office. No one who has seen my work would let me near that. Nice work.

    That desk is really cool. I also want to know who made it. I love it when the “how” shows up in work pieces. Without the CNC slots, that desk wouldn’t be near as cool.

    #32169

    Barry
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    Did you CNC that fancy desk?

    No. It is CNC’d though. It’s bamboo plywood, if you look up the price of that stuff, well, no, I’m not going to be doing one like that!

    Here’s the cool part though. The instructions have diagrams of the parts in the back, to scale!!!!! Import into the software of your choice, scale the slots to the thickness of your plywood and go to town! Have to do a little searching on the internet for them now though. For some reason their site isn’t showing the instruction manuals for anything now.
    https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/37008955/assembly-instructions-legare-furniture

    #32170

    Neil
    Participant

    That table saw is awesome! Nice work Jeff!
    Neil

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    #32171

    Neil
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    Barry a desk like that deserves a ‘snap chair’
    https://www.opendesk.cc/designs

    you know you could whip that out on your low rider!
    Neil

    #32172

    Jeffeb3
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    you know you could whip that out on your low rider!

    Just be careful painting it!

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