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  • #48233

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    I have this machine 99% done, and have few a while now. As I keep test fitting and minor tweaking the parts I can’t help but hate how the fasteners looks. The rest of the non-fastener hardware parts are silver mostly.

    -Seems like black cap screws wouldn’t do much but camouflage them a bit. Although red anodized would be killer.

    -A complete design change sounds like a bummer.

    -Maybe counter sink the screw heads?

    -Make a 3D printed cover for the screw heads that gets stuck on?

    Any ideas?

     

    #48242

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    I think you covered the options… My first thought was countersink. It’s not as strong though.

    What about just a different screw? Something in a harder stainless? Maybe the ones that have cylinders for heads, but still Phillips? I think I got some good looking screws at Ace.

    Rivets?

    Cam you twist them so they are all an ‘x’?

    What about adding a bunch more screws so they spell out your name? It kind of looks close to the big Dipper. I’m out of ideas.

    I still think countersunk, at least for the show version. Mine is still unpainted MDF…

    #48243

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    Double double post post.

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    #48301

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    With a 3/8″ thickness the 3/4″ screws are just a hair too short and 1″ is long enough to be ugly. Maybe a counter sink, just a bit . 1/8″ might be just enough to make a statement. Dang it.

    Such little details I just want to use it already.

    I really wanted 3/8″ MDF but there is not any to be found in my neck of the woods, 3/8″ StarBoard really isn’t much more rigid than 1/4″ MDF. The design will allow for 1/2″ though, but dang that would be a beefy monster.

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    #48313

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    Is there a woodworking store near you? There are many more choices at Austin Hardwoods in Denver vs. Lowes Depot.

    I think it looks sharp. Doing either an angled countersink, so the screws are flush, or just a flat countersink, so the screws are down a bit would look like you cared.

    I switched that piece specifically out for 1/2″ and I think it’s much more rigid. The Y is much quieter with that, at least.

    #48316

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    I have checked two lumber suppliers and 3 different hardware stores, no 3/8″.

    I did get some other screws though, and will try counter sinking them as soon as the orders go out I will put up a pic I have a test piece I can screw up. I do think it looks a little better in the most recent pic with all the red on it. Maybe when the silver goes on it will be a little better still.

    The new design deals with the Y axis Flex by fliping all the mounts so it can be made of material even thicker than before, offsetting the Y belt to the edge to minimize even more flex, and it can use the Y rods as a support if they are dimensioned well enough. Every single part has been tweaked, some a little and some a lot. I also swapped out the 608’s for toothed idlers.

    #48317

    Jeffeb3
    Participant

    Sounds very cool. I haven’t built a (whatever that is) since last Christmas.

    #48319

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    What about a 3D printed part. Like a washer that connects the screws on each side. Some sort of abstract thing….Hmm. I will put it in CAD and see what it looks like.

    #48325

    Dan
    Participant

    I think counter sinking and  flatheads would look better.

    #48326

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    I was going to check but it got too late. I will though.

     

    #48327

    Andy M.
    Participant
    #48328

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Well, I don’t like this either. Hexagons might be a bit better than circles but not enough.

    kjh

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    #48332

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    It sucks it is only the front panel, all the rest are on printed parts and do not bug me at all. I think I am just being over sensitive. I will try the counter sink and move on one way or another.

    #48333

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Nice find Andy, I do like them but DANG $7.17 Each (plus shipping). My closest hardware store has regular black hex heads for $0.69 each but I would have to get a ton to get them from my supplier. Regular screws are only like $0.02 from them but at about 5k qty per box.

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    #48335

    Andy M.
    Participant

    are you looking at 1″ 6-32? That’s for a 10 pack….about .72 each. I bet they can be found elsewhere online, mcmaster is just where i order a lot from for convenience.

    #48336

    Kevin Lopez
    Participant

    Socket caps are much sexier than button head Phillips. Countersink would be great but extra work and not “practical” in any means besides aesthetics.

    #48410

    Al Quentin
    Participant
    I have this machine 99% done, and have few a while now. As I keep test fitting and minor tweaking the parts I can’t help but hate how the fasteners looks. The rest of the non-fastener hardware parts are silver mostly. -Seems like black cap screws wouldn’t do much but camouflage them a bit. Although red anodized would be killer. -A complete design change sounds like a bummer. -Maybe counter sink the screw heads? -Make a 3D printed cover for the screw heads that gets stuck on? Any ideas?

    Somewhat related – If you’re not familiar with them, you might want to check out Bowlin Equipment Supply on 10th near Harrison in Berkeley. Years ago when I worked at the then nearby North Face Factory they were the only game in town for metric or unusual hardware. I found them very helpful back then – I hear they still are.

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    #48412

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Sweet I will go check them out, I was over there twice last month, North Face clearance and a friend was getting restaurant equipment.

     

    Thanks.

    #48568

    These kind of screws usually look nice. I tend to use them whenever I cannot countersink:

    s-l300

    If you can countersink them, then don’t use the washer and only use these screws, they look great on all projects. Phillips head always look kinda cheap.

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    #48571

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Dang it I forgot to look at the counter sink While I was getting dirty earlier…. Shoot. Busy days.

    Nice screws Dui.

    #48806

    beetlejuice0331
    Participant

    Just cut/print out a clip-on faceplate with a logo or design on it for aesthetics.

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    #48817

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Yeah, that is what I landed on. I am having a hard time getting the time to finish it so I let the screws go for now. You all have given me lots of options, or if you make one will know what to do if they bug you.

    #49241

    Dan
    Participant

    When do we get to see this machine? 🙂

    #49242

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Ha, I am actually wiring it up right now. One of the last pieces just came off of the printer after a few revisions. Fingers crossed.

    It isn’t much different from the MP3DP just updated a few thing (well every single piece) but nothing major.

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