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  • #36927

    TImmyG
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    So I am just finishing up on my build. So far so good. I used 2 sheets of Birch play 48X48″ and made the table (40X40″)

    I was using the ramps setup but decided to use Mach4 (overkill I know)
    I’m hoping someone can help me determine the “Revolutions per inch” number that I need to set up the motors in Mach. Is there a calculator somewhere I can use?

    #36932

    TImmyG
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    I found this
    http://buildlog.net/cnc_laser/belt_calcs.htm

    It shows 156.250 Steps to inch Using no microstepping ( I want to try that first because of the huge loss in torque when micro stepping).

    Just an FYI

    #36940

    cehbab
    Participant

    For Marlin, I found this calculation in the this forum somewhere accidentally, it was posted by Ryan,

    ‘with a pitch of 2mm… and your stepper is 1.8 degrees per step. then….

    at 16 microsteps it is 1600 steps per mm [ ((360/1.8) * 16) / 2mm = 1600 ]
    at 32 microsteps it is 3200 steps per mm’

    My M8 AllThread rod has 1.25mm pitch (360/1.8) * 32) / 1.25 = 5120
    My T8 LeadScrew was 2m pitch, which was 3200 as above

    Maybe this is helpful somehow..

    Cheers

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    #36941

    Jim Hildebrandt
    Participant

    RepRap Calculator

    There is a calculator tab towards the top, it does belts & lead screws.

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    #36965

    TImmyG
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    Thanks Cehbab and Jim. Unfortunately I’m using the evil “US” system right now…
    The value of 156.250 is dead on with the Nema motors with 0 microstepping.

    #36970

    Johnny
    Participant

    This is a very interesting topic. I’m curious if this is testing that Ryan has done yet or not, running in full steps or half steps vs microsteps? I’m eager to see how this plays out and what if any previous testing has been done on the topic. Good luck!

    #36972

    Jeffeb3
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    It has come up a few times. IIRC, the answer was basically, he did test at 1/8th steps and 1/4th steps and saw a noticeable difference in the path of a circle, so he bumped it up even higher. The other thing I’ve read (here or somewhere else) is that the torque reduction is a true thing, but only on the microsteps, so when the motor gets pushed out of the way of the 1/32nd microstep toward the location of the full step, the torque increases, so if you are approaching that torque limit, the microstepping will still finish with the same total torque, but it will try to get more precision when you are at lower resistance. I know there are other issues with microstepping, when we are doing significant speeds. That’s all theoretical on my part though, I haven’t ever tried anything but 32.

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    #36975

    Ryan
    Keymaster

    Hefe has it right from what I understand. There are conflicting results out there but from what I’ve tried I’ll stick with 1/16-1/32 stepping.

    With the recommended setup, gt2, 16 tooth, 180 degree steppers. The lowest number to get even steps would be 1/4 stepping. That gives you a max resolution of 0.04mm, at full stepping your max resolution would be 0.16mm. Small circles turn into hexagons and smooth curves get less smooth. Full steps sound horrible by the way, it sounds bad and you will also get oscillations as it snaps into the next step.

    It is super easy to play with just change your jumpers and flash the firmware with the appropriate steps. It is interesting to try yourself I highly recommend it. I have done a few test over the last few years to reassure myself.

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